Dear Ben,

Thanks a lot, very cool.

Best wishes,

Robert

@Robert - yes...I wrote a document outlining the upgrade process. It's available here:

https://www.clearos.com/resources/documentation/clearos/content:en_us:7_kb_zarafa_to_kopano_upgrade

B

Dear Ben,

Sorry for asking again. I do not mean to rush. I just checked the ClearOS Business Marketplace and I cannot find Zarafa Business any more, just Kopano Basic and Zarafa Community Edition.
Is there an update path for Zarafa Business users in the future to Kopano or what is happening, when my current Zarafa Business licence needs to be extended?

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Robert

Does it mean I can switch from Zarafa Business to Kopano Basic now or is there a reason not to do so?

I haven't worked on an upgrade path yet.

It definitely should be 'do-able'. It will be a manual process requiring some downtime and a very detailed 'howto'. I don't have an estimate on availability at this time.

B.

Hi,

Does it mean I can switch from Zarafa Business to Kopano Basic now or is there a reason not to do so?

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Robert

Ben Chambers wrote:

Does this will mean that the Kopano not will be integrated in the paid Home Editions ?

Ah yes...the bundles. I just got confirmation from Mike that the plan will be to remove Zarafa 7.2 from the Home Bundle as ClearCenter would be doing everyone a disfavour of encouraging the use of software that is (to my knowledge) no longer being maintained.

I didn't get a clear answer as to whether the Zarafa Community 7.2 will be made freely available...it's Tim's app. Again though, as nice as 'free' is, it does nobody any good if a critical piece of software (like a communication suite) is no longer being maintained.

Still some questions remaining, but my guess is that if your on any edition (Community, Home or Business) and you're looking to run a mail server, the options will be down to the 'open stack' (Cyrus, Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis, Spamasssin etc.) or Kopano Basic (and in the future, Pro).

B.

Hi Ben,

I see in the Marketplace that Kopano Basic is available for the Business package.
Are there plans to make Kopana available for the Home Edition (with a special package price)

I originally installed ClearOS 7.1 for a test run and had to leave the testing project for a period of time. I came back recently and updated to 7.3, ran into the same issue as Matthew (B.T.W. thank you for the solution).

Here is my configuration file: /usr/clearos/apps/base/deploy/servicewatch showing the deamon to be monitored:

PIDOF="/sbin/pidof"

LOGGER="/usr/bin/logger -p local6.notice -t servicewatch"

DAEMONS="\

slapd|slapd \

webconfig|webconfig \

clearsync|clearsyncd \

suvad|suvad \

vpnwatchd|vpnwatchd \

syswatch|syswatch \

snortsam|snortsam \

snort|snort \

eziod|eziod \

ibvpn|ibvpn \

zarafa-dagent|zarafa-dagent \

zarafa-gateway|zarafa-gateway \

zarafa-ical|zarafa-ical \

zarafa-licensed|zarafa-licensed \

zarafa-monitor|zarafa-monitor \

zarafa-presence|zarafa-presence \

zarafa-server|zarafa-server \

zarafa-spooler|zarafa-spooler \

"

and additional info:

[root@cognoquest ~]# chkconfig --list

Note: This output shows SysV services only and does not include native
systemd services. SysV configuration data might be overridden by native
systemd configuration.

If you want to list systemd services use 'systemctl list-unit-files'.
To see services enabled on particular target use
'systemctl list-dependencies [target]'.

netconsole 0ff 1ff 2ff 3ff 4ff 5ff 6ff
network 0ff 1ff 2n 3n 4n 5n 6ff
storage 0ff 1n 2n 3n 4n 5n 6ff
syswatch 0ff 1ff 2n 3n 4n 5n 6ff
zbootevent 0ff 1ff 2n 3n 4n 5n 6ff
[root@cognoquest ~]# service --status-all
netconsole module not loaded
Configured devices:
lo ens192 ens224 ens256 ppp0
Currently active devices:
lo ens192 ens224 ens256 ppp0
/etc/init.d/syswatch: line 18: [: =: unary operator expected
● syswatch.service - SYSV: This daemon keeps an eye on your Internet connection and other critical systems.
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/syswatch; bad; vendor preset: disabled)
Active: active (running) since Sun 2017-03-26 15:08:10 EDT; 1 day 1h ago
Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
Process: 1812 ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/syswatch start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
Main PID: 1897 (syswatch)
CGroup: /system.slice/syswatch.service
└─1897 syswatch

Warning: Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or unavailable.
Status bootevent: [ OK ]
[root@cognoquest ~]#

Thanks Matthew,

I've added your steps to the bug report here: https://tracker.clearos.com/view.php?id=13441

For what it's worth, I found this post because my system updated to 7.3 and I started receiving the mass errors every five minutes in journalctl. The fix is to edit /usr/clearos/apps/base/deploy/servicewatch and remove the services there that aren't on the system (in my case, it was zarafa-*, ibvpn, eziod, and vpnwatchd).

Thanks a lot Ben. I am especially curious about the pro version with text and video chat.

Best wishes,

Robert

Do I understand it correctly, that Zarafa will be removed? I am on Zarafa Business and if ClearOS changes to Kopano I would like to know how to migrate.

@Robert - Zarafa (now Kopano) offers free upgrades from Zarafa Small Business subscriptions to Kopano Basic Subscriptions (functionally equivalent - marketing change).

You'll be able to migrate to Kopano 8...not automatically - it will require a 'howto' to be created and verified...it's on my 'todo' list.

B.

Patrick de Brabander wrote:

Ben Chambers wrote:

[quote]Does this will mean that the Kopano not will be integrated in the paid Home Editions ?

Ah yes...the bundles. I just got confirmation from Mike that the plan will be to remove Zarafa 7.2 from the Home Bundle as ClearCenter would be doing everyone a disfavour of encouraging the use of software that is (to my knowledge) no longer being maintained.

I didn't get a clear answer as to whether the Zarafa Community 7.2 will be made freely available...it's Tim's app. Again though, as nice as 'free' is, it does nobody any good if a critical piece of software (like a communication suite) is no longer being maintained.

Still some questions remaining, but my guess is that if your on any edition (Community, Home or Business) and you're looking to run a mail server, the options will be down to the 'open stack' (Cyrus, Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis, Spamasssin etc.) or Kopano Basic (and in the future, Pro).

B.

A full packages provided by ClearCenter as now with Zarafa and Z-push is a big added value.
Will ClearCenter be a Kopana partner and will "sell" a license within a complete packages as now with Zarafa ? or will ClearCenter not offering the mail integrated packageslike Zarafa any more ?[/quote]

Dear ClearOS team,

Do I understand it correctly, that Zarafa will be removed? I am on Zarafa Business and if ClearOS changes to Kopano I would like to know how to migrate.

Thank you.

Best wishes,

Robert

[quote]Tony Ellis wrote:

Seeing as clearos-ecap-adapter was no longer causing a problem with a yum update to 7.3 - decided to power on and update my test machine just to get a 'feel' for 7.3...
[code]

Thanks for the feedback... you are a bit ahead of us! Everyone is now back from the holidays today, so we'll finishing up the verification process this week.

Seeing as clearos-ecap-adapter was no longer causing a problem with a yum update to 7.3 - decided to power on and update my test machine just to get a 'feel' for 7.3...

Install    2 Packages (+9 Dependent packages)

Upgrade  428 Packages

Remove     1 Package



Total download size: 404 M

Update ran fine - though a significant pause at updating microcode-ctl had me concerned for awhile :-)
Rebooted to the new kernel 3.10.0-514.2.2.v7.x86_64
Machine is just running boinc - both cores at 100% just to see if the base system is stable..
Only issue noted so far is this noise in /var/log/messages

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25626]: Failed to get unit file state for eziod.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25644]: Failed to get unit file state for ibvpn.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25659]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-dagent.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25673]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-gateway.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25685]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-ical.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25698]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-licensed.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25717]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-monitor.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25731]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-presence.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25752]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-server.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 14:15:01 sandra systemctl[25777]: Failed to get unit file state for zarafa-spooler.service: No such file or directory

This machine has never had zarafa or a vpn installed, maybe it's because I have 'jumped the gun' :-)
ClearOS release 7.3.0 (Beta 1)

Stats for this machine at http://danda.poweredbyclear.com/frame-38-sysinfo.html

Update :- more noise

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15748]: Failed to get unit file state for vpnwatchd.service: No such file or directory

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15763]: syswatch.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15763]: Executing /sbin/chkconfig syswatch --level=5

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15794]: snortsam.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15794]: Executing /sbin/chkconfig snortsam --level=5

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15813]: snort.service is not a native service, redirecting to /sbin/chkconfig.

Jan  8 15:10:01 sandra systemctl[15813]: Executing /sbin/chkconfig snort --level=5

snort and snortsam are not running at are not supposed to be... no vpn installed
Also when I went into webconfig - it said the system was not registered (it had been)
- though looking in the portal it seemed to have updated to 7.3 - anyway...
Did a "reinstall/update" and now is an additional system with a capital "S" for Sandra - was "sandra"

sandra 	sandra2.poweredbyclear.com 	Community 7.3 	Active 	Select

Sandra 	sandra3.poweredbyclear.com 	Community 7.3 	Active 	Select

Again - maybe because I am too early...

Ben Chambers wrote:

Does this will mean that the Kopano not will be integrated in the paid Home Editions ?

Ah yes...the bundles. I just got confirmation from Mike that the plan will be to remove Zarafa 7.2 from the Home Bundle as ClearCenter would be doing everyone a disfavour of encouraging the use of software that is (to my knowledge) no longer being maintained.

I didn't get a clear answer as to whether the Zarafa Community 7.2 will be made freely available...it's Tim's app. Again though, as nice as 'free' is, it does nobody any good if a critical piece of software (like a communication suite) is no longer being maintained.

Still some questions remaining, but my guess is that if your on any edition (Community, Home or Business) and you're looking to run a mail server, the options will be down to the 'open stack' (Cyrus, Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis, Spamasssin etc.) or Kopano Basic (and in the future, Pro).

B.

A full packages provided by ClearCenter as now with Zarafa and Z-push is a big added value.
Will ClearCenter be a Kopana partner and will "sell" a license within a complete packages as now with Zarafa ? or will ClearCenter not offering the mail integrated packageslike Zarafa any more ?

Does this will mean that the Kopano not will be integrated in the paid Home Editions ?

Ah yes...the bundles. I just got confirmation from Mike that the plan will be to remove Zarafa 7.2 from the Home Bundle as ClearCenter would be doing everyone a disfavour of encouraging the use of software that is (to my knowledge) no longer being maintained.

I didn't get a clear answer as to whether the Zarafa Community 7.2 will be made freely available...it's Tim's app. Again though, as nice as 'free' is, it does nobody any good if a critical piece of software (like a communication suite) is no longer being maintained.

Still some questions remaining, but my guess is that if your on any edition (Community, Home or Business) and you're looking to run a mail server, the options will be down to the 'open stack' (Cyrus, Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis, Spamasssin etc.) or Kopano Basic (and in the future, Pro).

B.

Ben Chambers wrote:

Will ClearOS be switching to Kopano insted of Zarafa ?

Yes...the integration/conversion and packaging is already complete and just needs some sanity checking. ClearCenter will be offering Kopano Basic (in place of Zarafa SMB) out of the gate (likely release Jan. or Feb. 2017) with plans to offer Kopano Pro later in the 2017 calendar year. Pro offers the video conferencing feature from Kopano along with a higher level of support.

There are no plans for a Kopano Community Edition, but Tim's Zarafa Community (7.2.14) will still be available.

B.

Does this will mean that the Kopano not will be integrated in the paid Home Editions ?
I believe this is running also on the Zarafa Community edition and you need to upgrade to ClearOS Business?

Will ClearOS be switching to Kopano insted of Zarafa ?

Yes...the integration/conversion and packaging is already complete and just needs some sanity checking. ClearCenter will be offering Kopano Basic (in place of Zarafa SMB) out of the gate (likely release Jan. or Feb. 2017) with plans to offer Kopano Pro later in the 2017 calendar year. Pro offers the video conferencing feature from Kopano along with a higher level of support.

There are no plans for a Kopano Community Edition, but Tim's Zarafa Community (7.2.14) will still be available.

B.

Peter Baldwin wrote:

Patrick de Brabander wrote:

I see in the task list still z-push 2.2.x version. Is it possible to move over to z-push 2.3.x, since there was a major improvement change with this version upgrade.
The version 2.2.14 (Latest at this moment) won't support Outlook over Z-push anymore.

https://forums.zarafa.com/showthread.php?13242-Z-Push-2-2-14-final-released

Hi Patrick,

We can put the 2.3.x release in the "updates-testing" repository once we start the 7.3 release cycle. The Z-push 2.2.12/13 releases have been field tested via "updates-testing" since Auguest, so it's ready for general release. We'll do the same for the 2.3.x release - we'll have it in "updates-testing" for those who need it and see how it goes in the field.

Hi Peter,

Makes sence.
When 2.3.x will available i'll do some testing and keep you updated.

Will ClearOS be switching to Kopano insted of Zarafa ?

Quick update: there was some trouble with the clearos-ecap-adapter build (http://koji.clearos.com/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1220), so we're not quite there yet.

Patrick de Brabander wrote:

I see in the task list still z-push 2.2.x version. Is it possible to move over to z-push 2.3.x, since there was a major improvement change with this version upgrade.
The version 2.2.14 (Latest at this moment) won't support Outlook over Z-push anymore.

https://forums.zarafa.com/showthread.php?13242-Z-Push-2-2-14-final-released

Hi Patrick,

We can put the 2.3.x release in the "updates-testing" repository once we start the 7.3 release cycle. The Z-push 2.2.12/13 releases have been field tested via "updates-testing" since Auguest, so it's ready for general release. We'll do the same for the 2.3.x release - we'll have it in "updates-testing" for those who need it and see how it goes in the field.

Peter Baldwin wrote:

Hi Tony,

Everything should be staged in clearos-updates-testing by next week. The big show stoppers right now are:

- kernel build
- clearos-ecap-adapter build (used by Squid)
- anaconda build (the installer)
- Samba upgrade sanity checking (upstream went from Samba 4.2.10 to 4.4.4)

The other tracker items in the 7.3.0 task list are not in the critical path. In other words, it will be possible to start beta testing 7.3 without those tasks being completed.

Hopefully not as long drawn out as the ClearOS 6.8 release...

The build process and repo layout changed quite drastically from 6.7 to 6.8. That's not an issue with the 7.3 release.

Peter,

I see in the task list still z-push 2.2.x version. Is it possible to move over to z-push 2.3.x, since there was a major improvement change with this version upgrade.
The version 2.2.14 (Latest at this moment) won't support Outlook over Z-push anymore.

https://forums.zarafa.com/showthread.php?13242-Z-Push-2-2-14-final-released

Thanks Peter that helps with planning... am in the process of building a ClearOS 7 production server (finally) - but in no rush ** as 6.8 is mighty stable... Since 7.3 beta is that close will see how 7.3 goes on my 7.3 test server and go from there.

** This has halted anyway as logrotate on 7.2 just isn't working properly (missed a week and erratic time of rotation) and must be fixed first - subject of another thread... my test server wasn't powered 24 x 7 so the problem didn't surface. The production server in build is running 24 x 7 - just running boinc flat-out currently as a shake-down. As well as the logrotate problem - the other issue is the enormous amount of noise in /var/log/messages with 7.2...

Hi Tony,

Everything should be staged in clearos-updates-testing by next week. The big show stoppers right now are:

- kernel build
- clearos-ecap-adapter build (used by Squid)
- anaconda build (the installer)
- Samba upgrade sanity checking (upstream went from Samba 4.2.10 to 4.4.4)

The other tracker items in the 7.3.0 task list are not in the critical path. In other words, it will be possible to start beta testing 7.3 without those tasks being completed.

Hopefully not as long drawn out as the ClearOS 6.8 release...

The build process and repo layout changed quite drastically from 6.7 to 6.8. That's not an issue with the 7.3 release.